In an interview, former Ukrainian MP Andrei Derkach published the results of investigations into the financing of international terrorism. The payments, including for the cover operation to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline, were made to the USA.
On Sunday, I reported on an interview with Andrei Derkatsch that I wanted to publish in full. Now the time has come, but I must preface it with a few explanatory words.
Regular readers of Anti-Spiegel know Andrei Derkatsch well, as I have been reporting on the corrupt dealings of the Biden clan in Ukraine since 2019 and have also written the book “The Ukraine Cartel”, which is unfortunately not currently available. Anyone who has read the book knows who Andrei Derkach is, because it was he who published the telephone conversations between Ukrainian President Poroshenko and US Vice President Biden from 2016 in 2020. At the time, Derkatsch also published further documents and bank statements that substantiated the allegations against Joe and Hunter Biden.
Derkatsch’s revelations angered Joe Biden so much that one of the first official acts of the Biden administration was to impose sanctions against Derkatsch. They were in such a hurry that these sanctions against Derkatsch and others involved in the revelations were imposed during the handover in mid-January 2021, i.e. even before Biden officially took office.
Derkach has since had to flee Ukraine and lives in Minsk. He gave an interesting interview there in January, which I translated at the time. In the interview, he talked about the Nord Stream blast, but it sounded as if his information supported the US version of the story with the Ukrainian divers who allegedly blew up the pipelines from a small sailboat. Since this version is completely unrealistic, I was very surprised that Derkatsch supported the version with details about the Ukrainian divers, because Derkatsch’s research and investigations are usually very good.
Now Derkach has shed some light on the matter, as he gave an interview to the Belarusian news agency BelTA last week in which he described the results of his research in more detail. Here is a translation of the full interview.
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Question: Recently, information emerged about a statement signed by you and a number of deputies of the Russian State Duma, as well as public figures such as Dugin, who, incidentally, was himself a victim of terrorism. We all remember the tragic death of his daughter. This declaration on the commission and financing of terrorism was sent to the judicial authorities of the United States, France, Germany, Cyprus and Russia. We know the reaction of the Russian side, the Russian Investigative Committee has initiated criminal proceedings. What do you think the further prospects are for this procedure?
Derkatsch: The declaration itself is a compilation of documents, evidence and descriptions of crimes that we found during the preparation of the declaration. And our justified demand to the law enforcement authorities of the USA, Germany, Cyprus, France and Russia is to conduct objective and, above all, public investigations, including in the intermediate stages. It is about prosecuting those involved in terrorist acts, the sponsors of terrorism, regardless of their official position and jurisdiction. This is one of the most important tasks of this activity. Moreover, I believe that the registration or initiation of criminal proceedings before the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation is an important international precedent that will have certain consequences, including for those who sponsor terrorism.
Why are we talking about financing? Because the financing of terrorism is one of these non-public, covert forms of involvement in terrorism. And all those who support terrorism must understand that they will be held accountable for their crimes, for their activities, for their involvement in terrorist actions.
What else is important? This document also contains all the information and data on the involvement of the Burisma company, its founders and employees in the financing of terrorist activities. It is absolutely clear to us that the Biden family and its partners are demonstrably involved in the financing of terrorism. It is now the task of the investigating authorities to describe, prove and bring charges through investigative measures.
Question: But to put it very simply: how are “Burisma” and the Biden family associated with it involved in financing terrorism? Perhaps by way of example.
Derkatsch: We have traced virtually all the money movements through “Burisma” and the transfers via “Morgan Stanley” to a company called “Rosemont Seneca”. This company is linked to Biden’s son and belongs to him. We have uncovered all the transfers. The US Congress knows about all these transfers and uses these documents as evidence of political influence peddling.
But the criminal case that was brought against “Burisma” and was actively investigated under Attorney General Shokin was closed around 2020. The bribe amount was 50 million and we have these documents in the reports of the prosecutors who investigated this process. Six million was handed over in cash to the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies to close the “Burisma” case. Everything was documented and the person who handed over the money was caught on camera. It was one of the employees of “Burisma”, Kitscha, a certain lawyer.
The whole of Europe was looking at the largest bribe in cash, six million dollars. These six million dollars were confiscated and served as evidence until a certain point in time. By a secret court order, which we also presented, this money was transferred to a military unit of the Ukrainian military intelligence service for carrying out terrorist actions.
Then the Nordstream pipelines began to explode, then came Prilepin, the terrorist attack, and Dugina. A series of terrorist attacks followed. The heads of the Ukrainian secret services, such as Malyuk and Budanov, make no secret of the fact that they carry out operations with extra-budgetary funds, as can be seen from their interviews. So the whole chain is being traced here and there is no doubt about it.
The Biden family, or rather the partners of the Biden family, sponsored terrorism and hid from punishment for corruption and money laundering in Ukraine.
Question: So “Burisma”, the already famous Burisma, paid bribes to stop this process.
Derkatsch: It wasn’t just six million, but around 18 million in total. Part of the money came from Slotschewsky for the drone army.
Question: Good. Then why are we talking about six million, because that’s the amount that was caught red-handed?
Derkatsch: The rest of the money was handed over to the drone army, again by a secret court order. If it’s so public, why is the court order being kept secret? So that journalists can look for the court order later?
The information about the drone army was mainly found by Ukrainian journalists who are now working in Ukraine. We also have this court order, we have also shown it. The drone army is actually the same story as terrorism. It’s about the death of people, it’s not even about damage to infrastructure.
Secondly, we see the entire supply chains for Ukraine’s military intelligence service from American companies. We see the sponsors who are active there. I also have other material, we have more detailed information about this. This information also concerns the financing of the Russian volunteer corps and the so-called Kalinovsky regiment.
When we talk about the coordination of the activities of the American secret services and media with the Ukrainian secret services: On February 25, a historical article was published in New York Times describing the CIA’s activity in creating special units in the structure of Ukrainian military intelligence and security services. For example, it described the establishment of 12 bases on the borders with Belarus and Russia. It also told how these units were trained, who the trainers were and how these units were formed. That was on February 25th.
After this day, the attacks by the Russian volunteer corps in the Belgorod region began. One month later, Security Advisor Sullivan visited Ukraine for the first time. Three days later, there was a terrorist attack on Crocus City Hall. After another time, the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.
So it is a fairly synchronous development when information about the possibility, necessity and effectiveness of terrorist actions is disseminated in American society. Actions against an allied state, against Russia, against Belarus, as a means of containing Russia and inflicting maximum damage. In other words, the public is being taught that terrorism is an acceptable form of warfare. That is what they are being taught. It’s called cognitive warfare.
Question: Well, when we talk about the Nord Stream pipelines, if we look at all the investigations that have been carried out, perhaps with the exception of Hersh’s, the prevailing opinion in the West is that some Ukrainian super-swimmers blew them up. I know they are not of that opinion.
Derkatsch: We have examined this problem thoroughly, and it is set out both in the statement and in the supplement to it. But when this opinion emerged in the West, the Washington Post, the New York Times and, if I remember correctly, The Hill described the story of the Chervinsky group as if they were Robin Hoods who blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.
We have identified practically the entire group. I can give you some of the documents, some of them will be used in the investigation. This whole group has been identified, that is Andrei Anatolyevich Burgomistrenko, an interesting person we will come back to later. This is also Roman Chervinsky himself. This is Sergei Anatolyevich Kuznetsov, an officer of the 7th Counterintelligence Directorate of the SBU secret service. There’s always a lot of confusion among them, they switch from the SBU to the GUR military intelligence service and from the GUR to the SBU, it was such a colorful group. Then Oleg Yuryevich Varvara. Then Ruslan Rudenko, former deputy mayor of Belaya Tserkov. An interesting person. And now a woman, Marina Alexandrovna Sitalo, 50 years old. One of the best technical divers in Ukraine.
No one has ever seen this information. She is a specialist, including in the production of underwater mixtures. She has diving experience in different parts of the world. Her husband is also a trainer in specialized diving.
These swimmers had the function of a camouflage operation, perhaps they dived.
They were trained over a long period of time. First in the Zhitomir region, where there is the Sokolovsky quarry, about 110 meters deep. Initially they trained there, then in Romania near the Mangalea NATO base, where they trained on South Stream. Then they rented a large yacht and were transferred to Poland. There was also a smaller yacht, the “Andromeda”, which was also reported in the Western media. They were also given Romanian passports.
All of this happened under the leadership of Christopher Smith. He was the second man in the US embassy in Ukraine at the time. A very well-known CIA man. Today he is the US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Asia. The man was promoted, he had a very good personal relationship with the former head of the GUR Burba. And he was also involved in the preparation of this operation.
Kirill Budanov is his pupil. He is an interesting person who was commissioned by the CIA to carry out and coordinate all the actions of the cover operation on the Nord Stream pipelines, which he did.
Question: According to various sources, the depth of the Nord Stream pipelines at the blasting site is 75 to 85 meters. And these people have trained at depths of up to 100 meters. That means they were theoretically capable of doing it.
Derkatsch: When a cover story is invented, it is done very well. We know the experience of the CIA or MI6 in preparing camouflage operations. They have a lot of experience in using proxies or cover stories to assume a certain position in order to evade responsibility. That is also what actually happened.
We have moved away from the subject of Tscherwinsky. Chervinsky is a very interesting person. He is one of the participants in the story in Belarus, when former members of the Wagner group were recruited in 2020 under the pretext of allegedly carrying out a coup in Belarus. In reality, as you will remember, they were supposed to get on a plane, then an emergency was to occur in Ukrainian airspace, the plane was to be forced to land and then they were to be arrested. The provocation failed thanks to the work of the Belarusian KGB and the Russian secret services. It was uncovered and Chervinsky was directly involved in the operation.
The second situation has the same international dimension. It’s about the story with the Nord Stream pipelines. This is also about Chervinsky. And four days after the information was published, he suddenly disappeared. Where should we look for him now? And how? A man has disappeared in the country, a colonel has disappeared from the remand prison. Should we look for him in Guantanamo or where else have they hidden him? How long has he been missing? That is a very serious question.
Another interesting person is Andrei Burgomistrenko himself. He ran the “Rodon” company for a long time. What kind of company is that? There are six companies in Ukraine that deal with radioactive waste, including highly radioactive waste. Burgomistrenko is a specialist in this field.
We are currently investigating information about the work of Ukrainian secret services on the development of a dirty bomb. This means that nuclear blackmail has become the norm for the Ukrainian leadership. They did this both before the start of the military operation and during it. We are announcing today that we are investigating this so that our so-called non-partners in the West understand this and do not later say that they have not heard about it.
I just have one question: do they know about it or are they not involved and are they managing this process from the point of view of escalation? That’s actually a very important and serious question.
It’s just part of the system for escalation measures. That’s the way I would put it. We’re talking about some pretty big and complex processes here, but these are all pretty dangerous and scary things.
For example, FBI Director Christopher Wray said just the day before yesterday that he expects terrorist attacks in the US similar to the one at Crocus City Hall. I would advise Christopher Wray to ask his CIA colleague questions.
Do they really believe that if they allow permissiveness, if they allow political assassinations, if they allow terrorist actions by Ukrainian intelligence, if intelligence chiefs gleefully and enthusiastically recount the details of these assassinations, as Malyuk has done, that this will not backfire on the U.S.? When various think tanks, experts and technologists prepare documents for them, do they believe that they are protected on the other side of the ocean while they play with people, their fates, their lives? The most important thing is that those who train and educate terrorists get a ricochet in their own country, they harm the security of their country.
Question: But the Americans have already burned their fingers with this once. I mean, everyone knows the story of how they founded Al Qaeda. And what did they get in the end? An answer. They got a ricochet. So what is the danger of terrorism in all its forms? It is a double-edged weapon. At the moment it seems to be used against the enemy, but in reality nobody knows how it will end.
Derkatsch: You may have seen Sullivan’s somewhat embarrassing, somewhat risky reaction to the initiation of the criminal proceedings by the Investigative Committee. He blames the IS. But who founded IS?
If former and hopefully future US President Trump says that IS was created by the Americans, then we cannot contradict him. That’s why it’s not such a good thing to pass the buck back and forth. What is important is that we understand that in today’s global world, no one is safe.
When we talk about what we are doing at all, I want to say that the establishment of an international tribunal is overdue. We are working on it. This can be realized in different forms. Firstly, an international register of terrorists and sponsors of terrorism could be established. An international register of the damage caused by the actions of NATO countries – this includes Serbia, this includes Afghanistan, this includes Iraq, this includes the North African countries, this includes Syria, which has suffered.
These are millions of people who have suffered as a result of NATO’s actions. The working process is intended to lay the foundations and basis for the conduct of fair international trials to investigate the facts of terrorism, war crimes, corruption, crimes against freedom of expression and human rights violations by NATO members and their governments, by clandestine and military organizations, attacks on national and economic security, undermining the authority of states in the world political community and direct threats to the national security of individual states and entire regions.
This is a complicated name, but it describes the tasks that this international tribunal has to fulfill. It still needs to be partially integrated into international and national legislation. But without that, we won’t get anywhere. The old world order has collapsed, there is no new world order. Creating new forms of international security cooperation is a challenge.
In the foreseeable future, this will also affect Belarus. There are such signs. And a very important point: in April there was a provocation from an interesting institute, the Robert Lansing Institute. Robert Lansing was, I believe, the 42nd Secretary of State of the USA. He is the uncle of Alan Dulles, the founder of the CIA. They published an article called “Signs of Russian preparations for provocations in Belarus to draw Minsk into war”. This is a repeat of the 2020 story.
The public is being accustomed to the fact that there is a possibility of terrorist actions on behalf of Russia in Belarus.
Question: Translated into understandable language: Do we – and by that I primarily mean Belarus – need to be prepared for some attempts at provocation on the part of the authors of this statement?
Derkatsch: Judging by the media reports and the statements of the Belarusian president, Belarus is always prepared for such actions. And why? Because a fairly large number of saboteurs or people recruited by the Ukrainian secret services to organize the transit of weapons and explosives to Russia have been arrested. The Belarusian president has repeatedly mentioned this in his speeches. The media report on such cases almost constantly.
But what is this really about? A cognitive war is being waged against Belarus and Russia. What is cognitive warfare? It is a war that changes the perception of the world and accustoms people to the possibility of illegal terrorist actions. And today, Ukraine is a kind of testing ground for new technologies of warfare, for combat operations, for the use of terrorism and for terrorist actions.
But it is important to speak publicly about the people who are involved in this process. And there should be legal consequences. Because every investigation, every journalistic activity is good, but if it does not end in documents, in criminal proceedings, in prosecution, then it remains just words.
So this is a very important task both for the creation of an International Tribunal and for the issues of the Registry. It is about involving the public, a large number of lawyers, lawyers for this activity, international lawyers, representatives of different countries, a sufficient number of people who are willing to do this work. It is important to fit all this into the framework of state and international legislation.
But above all, this process should be public. Public registers, public registration of people involved in terrorism, sponsors of terrorism, financiers of terrorism. So if they want to come to a particular country, there should be no place for them. This does not necessarily have to be a European country. The countries of the Global South have suffered and continue to suffer greatly from attacks on their sovereignty.
Question: So there must be the principle of the inevitability of punishment. If people are aware of this, it will probably deter some people.
But allow me to ask a question that may seem philosophical to you. Of course, what we are talking about now is very important, which is the fact that we need to expose these funding chains and show the people who are involved so that, as they say, the planet can see its heroes in person. But without belittling all these efforts, don’t you think it’s tilting at windmills? It is important to fight the cause. And the cause is not that a Cherbinsky or a Burgomistrenko has emerged. That is already a consequence. They are just instruments in the hands of some people. The causes lie deeper.
Derkatsch: Are you saying that we can defeat the global economy? Because behind every escalation, behind every military conflict, there are interests, especially those of big money. These are new financial flows, new logistics flows, companies in the military-industrial complex that earn a lot of money, lobbyists. You saw the vote in the US Congress.
Some Republicans voted in favor, others did not. And all the Democrats voted in favor of providing the funds. It’s no secret how many members of Congress are connected to lobbyists and see their future in lobbying firms or on the boards of such firms. This system is hard to fight.
Question: Because we started with your initiative and with the declaration, I will also ask questions about this. Almost a month has passed since the declaration was signed. The Russian investigative committee has started its work. But what about the other countries? I don’t know how it is in these countries, but in Belarus there is a law that says that anyone who contacts a state authority must receive a written response within a month. That’s just the way it is here. Almost a month has already passed. Has there been any response at all?
Derkatsch: We shouldn’t forget that quite a lot of people in Germany are affected by the explosion of the Nord Stream pipelines. To be clear: according to various estimates, Germany will have lost 300 billion by 2022 due to the increase in energy prices. And there are both political forces and lawyers there who are prepared to take procedural and legal steps to force an investigation. I believe that there are also such forces in France, and there are also certain lawyers in the USA who are prepared to get involved in this process.
So no one will allow this issue to be hushed up and abandoned. And that is why the pause that occurred after the announcement of the initiation of criminal proceedings, Sullivan’s painful reaction at the press conference, is confirmation that the announcement was indeed correctly drafted in terms of quality and hit the mark. We will now await further developments.
I think that this international legal precedent will definitely have consequences. This is the work of all of us, because it affects everyone: the people of Belarus, the people of Ukraine, the people of Russia. That is why it is very important to explain these terrorist wars, the cognitive-terrorist wars that are being waged against the population, and to put them into simple words. So that people in every city, in every village know that they can become the object of influence by the secret services, in this case the Ukrainian secret services, and by and large the Western secret services, and become victims of illegal actions.
Question: When you talk about “Ukrainian secret services”, I wonder how you see it.
Are they a kind of independent subject or rather a continuation as an instrument of Western intelligence services?
Derkatsch: They are an instrument of Western intelligence services. There is simply no point in talking about any kind of independence, because they know full well that their future depends on how they serve their masters and not on what happens in Ukraine. That is the main motivation for what they are doing, and they do not see their future in Ukraine.
Question: Does that also apply to the political leadership?
Derkatsch: When it comes to the political leadership, you can’t talk about a political leader like Selensky. Zelensky is an avatar, today the country is led by Yermak. Almost five years after Selensky’s friends were dismissed from their posts, there is no one left who owes him an office. But there are people who owe their jobs only to Yermak, who control the secret services, who control the law enforcement agencies. Of course, the heads of these agencies pass on certain information to Jermak. Some don’t.
But in reality, it is not Yermak who makes the decision to carry out certain actions, but the heads of the Western secret services. They inform, yes, they do. But since 2016, after one of Poroshenko’s calls to Biden about the terrorist attacks in Crimea, he has twice assured him by phone that he had signed a decision that all such actions would only be carried out in consultation with the Western intelligence services. As far as I know, no one has rescinded this decision. Only the form has changed, the fact of who informs whom at all.
That is, they are aware of what is happening, as a continuation of the organized criminal group Biden, Blinken, Nuland, in this case Selensky, Yermak or previously Poroshenko. But the decision is made by the people in the West.
Question: Did Zelensky have a chance? We remember how ordinary people, including here in Belarus, greeted the news of his election victory with great enthusiasm. Some immediately understood what it was all about because they remembered all those stories with TV series and so on, but overall I can speak for many people who saw something new, fresh, young, charming in him. And now this.
Derkatsch: That’s actually another big issue. I hope this won’t be the last time we meet. We can also talk later about the recent history of Ukraine and the changes from 2014 to today. How Ukraine has become what it is today. It’s a long story. I’m afraid a few hours won’t be enough to describe the process in detail.
Question: Then I’ll take you at your word.
Derkatsch: Thank you.
Question: We will certainly talk to each other again. I hope that we will have another opportunity to do so. Thank you very much for the conversation.
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